Okay I am not saying that all of Traditional Chinese Medicine is wrong but a lot of the practices are very suspicious to a skeptical mind. Here is a list of them which raises a lot of red flags.
The concept of Qi.
Firstly, Skeptic is always very puzzled with the concept of Qi. Is it a real force/energy or something made up? If Qi exist, why hasn't any physicist discovered it? I mean if it exist everywhere in our bodies and it could revolutionise the understanding of our universe, the scientist who discovers it would win the nobel prize. But instead why are the world's scientist looking for the Higgs Boson or studying neutrinos instead? The sad truth is that the TCM model of the body is based on an archaic and wrong set of cosmological beliefs. We still see other examples of this mistaken belief when we see people talking about Feng Shui or palm reading.
In contrast we know that cell theory is right because we can see cells under the microscope. It is so easy to prove that even a 7 year old child with a microscope can see it during a science class.
Proving a Treatment works.
In modern medicine, when a new drug enters the market. It has undergone very rigourous testing. The drugs are tested for adverse effects. Put through a double blind test to account for the placebo effect. They are subjected to statistical analysis to test for effectiveness.
In contrast, a lot of traditional chinese medicine doesn't go through such rigourous testing. They only rely on anecdotal 'evidence'. Skeptic wonders how much of these effects are due to the placebo effect. Don't you find it strange that a lot of illness that TCM claims to treat are illness (flu, rashes) that a person can recover from naturally with enough rest and food. In contrast, illness which don't go away naturally (like cancer) are never treated by TCM. One can argue that TCM provides a therapeutic effect. But one could just as well get that effect drinking chicken noodle soup. A common 'remedy' for the cold in the west.
There are a lot of potentially important active ingredients used in TCM. But because of a lack of stringent test, we are unable to separate the proper cures from the sham ones. Furthermore, a lack of test also prevents one from finding out if there are actually any potentially harmful compounds that could harm the body. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it can't harm you. Skeptic can name at least a few naturally occurring compounds that are harmful to the human body.
Lack of proper diagnostic tools.
Because the TCM model of the body is extremely flawed. (Forget about medicine, it violates the accepted ideas of physics). The way a physician detects an illness is limited. Measuring the pulse and looking for symptoms using the five human senses is often the first step a doctor needs to look for illness. But that is where the TCM physician stops. He doesn't have access to blood tests, MRIs.. etc. He can't go beyond asking you simple questions about your symptoms, stool, urine or physically looking at your external symptoms.
TCM can be potentially very useful but Skeptic wishes they apply the scientific method more rigourously to separate the useful from the useless.
Friday, July 3, 2009
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Sorry yamizi,
But when people make claims it is up to them to prove it right. I am just being intellectually honest.
I am very skeptical about these people with so-called qi abilities. Why don't they go to NUS and get tested? They will become world famous if they do so. When people make claim they need to back it up.
I personally think that the people you encounter with Qi abilities won't be able to recreate their abilities under intense scrutiny(lab conditions). So something must be fishy.
True science cannot explain everything but that doesn't mean alternative beliefs can explain what science cannot. It claims to do so but when put under intense study, it fails miserably.
A common fallacy in most people's argument is that science cannot explain everything so my beliefs are right.
Wrong. You not only must say that science cannot prove everything but you must go further to prove that your beliefs are correct too.
Because the failure of science doesn't automatically mean that other beliefs are right.
It is just like saying that Christianity is right because Hinduism cannot explain everything.
This article from SMA is really quite interesting.
http://news.sma.org.sg/4104/Credibility.pdf
It is strange when people use "Science cannot prove X" to insist that therefore "X is true". It only tells us "We do not understand enough about X".
Science, in fact, proves nothing. It gives us a model about the world upon which repeatable experiments can be conducted and quantifiable results can be obtained.
I have a long term medical condition, seeing doc for 20 over years. When my conditions deteriorate, taking mc almost once every month. My employer refused to accept even the specialist's letter, telling me to do more. No choice, I had to consult Chinese physicians to try TCM.
--After months of telling docs that I have giddyness which frequency goes from once every month to everyday, so much so that i think 'being high' is normal. -cos western docs inform me: just my imagination, I do not have giddyness.
But after TCM/acupunture sessions, i begin to regain clarity in my head.
-- headaches: Gone by end of 1 session of TCM/acupunture session.
The list goes on. What I'm trying to say is: Since young, I had always been brought up to receive western medication. I was 'forced' to find alternate medical treatment. And i do is just for SOP purpose, so that my boss can't say I din try. Unexpectedly, TCM helps me like no western docs/med had ever did for years.
To say the least, my med condition was a misdiagnose for at least 20 yrs. I was given a new diagnose by docs during my stay in China. I flew back to spore for surgery immediately. It was a major operation; spore surgeon said if continue to left undiagnose/treated, within less 2 weeks, I would have died.
There's a few more personal experiences after that whereby the TCM put right to what the western doc can't do for me. But I wun list them here. I just feel that one should not condemn/belittle what you don't know or don't care to know. For TCM to be able to pass on for thousands of years. There's something right that they are doing for people. Not all people are ignorant fools ...or intellect snob.
"But after TCM/acupunture sessions, i begin to regain clarity in my head. headaches: Gone by end of 1 session of TCM/acupunture session."
Have you heard of the placebo effect. I mentioned it in my post. Studies have shown that there is no difference between acupuncture and mock acupuncture.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PainManagement/PainManagement/12674
"The list goes on. What I'm trying to say is: Since young, I had always been brought up to receive western medication. I was 'forced' to find alternate medical treatment. And i do is just for SOP purpose, so that my boss can't say I din try. Unexpectedly, TCM helps me like no western docs/med had ever did for years."
I am sorry but anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Personal testimony is subjective and you have to back it up with a larger study of a huge population of people.
"To say the least, my med condition was a misdiagnose for at least 20 yrs. I was given a new diagnose by docs during my stay in China. I flew back to spore for surgery immediately. It was a major operation; spore surgeon said if continue to left undiagnose/treated, within less 2 weeks, I would have died."
Firstly, could you elaborate about the type of tests the doctors in China use. Some of them use methods from modern medicine. X-ray, Blood test.. etc.. or did they just measure your pulse and look at your tongue. If that is the case, I am skeptical about the story.
Furthermore, the misdiagnosis is the failure of the doctors not modern medicine. I dare even say that if you do a proper study, there would be a higher rate of misdiagnosis in TCM v.s. modern medicine.
"I just feel that one should not condemn/belittle what you don't know or don't care to know. For TCM to be able to pass on for thousands of years. There's something right that they are doing for people."
The life span of the average person in China has significantly increased since the founding of the People's Republic of China. What were the chinese people doing for thousands of years?
It is true there is a lot of things we do not know that is why we need to investigate them. Just saying that there are things we do not know is not enough. We need to find out why things work. If you read my post carefully, I am pointing the logical inconsistencies of TCM like the concept of qi. If we do not resolve them and just accept them blindly without understanding then we will always remain ignorant fools. That is not the position I want to be in.
I am afraid you are mistaken that I don't care to know. I obviously care to know because I want to resolve the logical inconsistencies and subject it to proper tests.
A person who doesn't care to know just accept things as they are without testing them. And arrogance is expecting people to believe in things without proper proof.
Like I said anecdotal evidence is unreliable, people can be easily deceived by the placebo effect.
You can't just look at one example but a whole group of examples involving other people to get a conclusion. To base one's conclusion on just one case as opposed to a general study is severely misguided.
What is meant by the statement that because science has not discovered Qi, therefore Qi is non-existent?
Does it mean that Qi has to be seen under the microscope, detected by some instrument to be proven true?
May be some instruments already did but not recognised as such.
But if a thing has to be physically authenticated, that leaves a number of realities unproven.
Emotions and thoughts are real aren't they but why are they never physically discovered?
Two philosophers argue over the reality of thoughts. One said thoughts are not real because you cannot see them. The other said "So by what are you now basing your argument on, if not by your thoughts which you considered non-existent?"
What is science but physical science and then their believers think it can cover everything.
Qi is unproven? Why not watch some Youtube videos on how monks break metal bar with their heads, get lifted up with the point of spears unhurt, all through the power of Qi as they claim. Ahh, all crap you say.
Wait, if you are a real scientist visit Shaolin temple first and investigate firsthand before coming to such a conclusion.
Western-trained doctors can be very bigoted; they think they have all the medical knowledge in the world. Such arrogance will limit their progress.
There is still alot of mysteries in the universe left unexplored. Be open minded; your brain won't drop out.
"What is meant by the statement that because science has not discovered unicorns, therefore a unicorn is non-existent?
Does it mean that a unicorn has to be seen under the microscope, detected by some instrument to be proven true?
May be some instruments already did but not recognised as such.
But if a thing has to be physically authenticated, that leaves a number of realities unproven."
I just replaced Qi with unicorns to show how ridiculous your statement is.
"Wait, if you are a real scientist visit Shaolin temple first and investigate firsthand before coming to such a conclusion."
Wrong. You don't seem to understand that it is the person who makes the assertion who should prove it rather than the other way around.
When I say fairies exist. It is not the job of the listener to disprove it. It is the job of the person making the positive claim on the existence of fairies to prove it. The job of the observer is just to merely judge the merits of the evidence and be convinced or unconvinced accordingly.
You haven't done a good job providing evidence. Youtube is not really 'evidence'
There is a lot of mysteries in the universe that we do not need to invent fake ones.
Being open minded means being open to the evidence which you have not shown. In fact you are very closed minded because you cling on to your beliefs despite a lack of proper evidence.
I am willing to be convinced if the evidence presents itself but be aware that my definition of evidence is stringent and leaves no doubt.
If you know of any qi master, please tell them about the James Randi Million dollar challenge to prove their abilities. It is an open invitation to any one who can demonstrate such an ability. I'll put the link at the bottom of my comments.
If they can win the challenge, I'll be convinced and I'll find you personally to say that I am convinced. Would you be willing to do the same if they fail?
Be open minded that you are wrong because you believe in things without evidence.
The James Randi Foundation
http://www.randi.org/site/
"... monks break metal bar with their heads, get lifted up with the point of spears unhurt, all through the power of Qi as they claim."
Would that be the same qi that flows through my house in fengshui theory, and the same qi that is blocked in my meridien which is giving me my headache?
Or does the monk just have a hard skull and the forces of the spears are sufficiently distributed to prevent penetration?
If a shaolin monk can hammer a nail with his eyeballs or fly to a height of 10 meters then I'll be convinced
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